Warnings from Canada: We talked to 7 prominent Canadians
1、 伊恩 本森 教授 Professor Iain Benson
What are some of the possible risks this legislation may have on religious freedom?
“Well I don’t think we have to speculate. I think all we need to do is to look at the record in the various countries where same sex marriage has been brought in. The most startling example is currently ongoing. The Supreme Court of Canada is about to hear a case involving a challenge to the accreditation of an evangelical law school. So what’s going on is a very serious debate, right at the heart of law about whether diversity will allow different views on marriage.
“And in Australia you’re going to have to be absolutely aware, that your laws have to be crystal clear to protect freedom of religion and diversity.”
So how would that relate to the situation in Australia?
“Well, the Australian provisions that I’ve seen put forward, are even weaker than the Canadian ones.
“So what’s happening here is Australia’s proceeding as if there aren’t going to be these attacks and challenges on religious people or those who have a conscientious objection to same sex marriage.
“And that’s a tremendously naïve approach, given what we’ve seen in England, South Africa or Canada.
“There’s a lot more issues than who marries and who you decide to marry. For example is your charitable status going to be threatened because you advocate tradiational marriage? Or is your school going to be threatened because its curriculum wishes to portray marriage as heterosexual. No one seems to understand that this limiting to clergy exemptions is woefully inadequate to protect religious liberty and conscience liberty in an open society such as Australia.
“It’s not unjust to have different concepts of marriage co-existing at the same time and to protect the traditional one.
“In any free and open society, it’s extremely important on matters particularly as heated as same sex marriage to ensure that both sides have their viewpoints protected.”
2、 安德鲁 姆罗泽克，渥太华“卡杜斯家庭组织”项目主管Andrea Mrozek, Program director at Cardus Family, Ottawa
“同时这条法律给予州政府特权，使政府拥有权力来决定谁才是孩子的家长，同时，安大略省出现每个孩子可以同时拥有四个法定家长的情形 —— 可以有多至四名互不相关的成人来签署孕前协议，成为这个孩子的法定家长。”
“We recently had a law passed in Ontario it was called the “All Families are Equal Act.” What that did was strike out, quite deliberately the terms mother and father from law.
“What it also did was give the state additional powers in deciding who are parents and create also conditions in the province of Ontario where you can have up to four legal parents – four unrelated adults can choose to sign a preconception agreement and then become parents of a child.
“This is a natural outcome of same sex marriage when you consider that you’ve removed gender from marriage.
“If you introduce same sex marriage that you are in effect removing mothers and fathers and that is precisely what happened in the province of Ontario. But I can tell you that when same sex marriage was legalised I did think that that sounded far fetched and now looking at the the new law I actually wonder why it didn’t happen earlier, because it’s a natural outcome of the legalisation of same sex marriage.”
3、珍妮 艾普 巴肯汗教授，劳伦森领导中心主管Professor Janet Epp Buckingham, Director of Laurentian Leadership Centre
I can tell you, 12 years on, after the definition of marriage was changed in Canada, there have been many consequential changes that no one foresaw at the time.
Once the definition of marriage is changed it does necessarily have an impact on other areas of the law. Changes are things like on a marriage certificate you can’t have husband and wife anymore.
It’s not possible for a politician to promise that because there are going to be changes. There may not be changes in the first two years, and then you have an election and the government changes and you have a new government, who may make further changes and further changes down the road.
So you can’t see what the end consequence is going to be. We have had changes in government at the Federal level and the provincial government level and so the people who may have made promises at the time the definition of marriage was changed are no longer there. They’re no longer the ones making the laws. A future prime minister is not bound by the promises of the current prime minister.
4、 道古拉斯 法拉博士，蒙特利 麦吉尔大学教授Dr Douglas Farrow, Professor, McGill University Montreal
“When we passed our same sex marriage legislation it was a very short piece of work: The definition will change from a union of a man and a woman, to the union of two persons. But in front of that simple little change in the law was a long list of whereas clauses, a dozen of them in fact. And following is the usual thing you have in law, you have consequential amendments to existing law.
“Among those consequential amendments was: Language of natural parents and of natural parent / child relationships and blood relations, all that was struck from Canadian law and replaced with “legal parents”, “legal parent/ child relationships.” Now you can see when that happens, that the power of the state is hugely enhanced.
“Hence the question asked by our own chief justice – “who owns the children?”
“Increasingly the answer is: the state owns the children and allots them. Now it’s still very convenient to allot them to their natural parents, who else is going to be so devoted to them, right? Who’s going to pay the bill?
“But, if the state doesn’t like what you’re teaching your children, if it doesn’t think you’re forming your children in a way that suits the new morality and the new program, well then that’s another matter.
“Your child comes to our state school and we persuade him or her to be in doubt about his or her own sexual orientation or even his or her own sex. Well, we will help this child make their transition and you will have no right to interfere or even to know that this is happening unless the child chooses to tell you. And that kind of stuff is happening in Canada.”
Warnings from UK
1、 保罗 戴尔蒙德 —— 律师 ／ 常务委员会Paul Diamond – Barrister / Standing Council
“You do lose your job, you will suffer educational detriment, you will be vilified for doing no more than reading a Bible verse expressing traditional views. And it’s so abusive in my experience, it’s a new barbarism.”
I don’t believe Mr Turnbull is that naïve. Unless he’s convinced Australia’s the most unique western country – there is a pattern already established. It may be that Australia is the first country in the western world to walk that impossible, difficult line between freedom of religion and privacy rights for same sex couples. Maybe you’ll prove us all wrong and you’ll be the first country to do that. I doubt it.
2、 沙恩 埃斯布来吉， 英国教师Sharn Asbridge, UK Teacher
On Feb 16 of this year, my agency called me to work at a school that I had gone to quite regularly. I have one RE lesson. Went into the classroom and I found I was teaching a lesson on Christianity, and so I thought, well as I’m a Christian, I know a little bit about this. We talked about the cross, why Jesus died on the cross, which got into talking about sin.
And one girl piped up: “What do you think about gay marriage, Miss?” So I said, “well this is my personal view, but I don’t agree with it. I believe marriage is between a man and a woman for life.”
And they went out of the class. Five minutes later, no longer, in comes a teacher who is in charge of supply and she sits down and says “Now I’ve got some quite disturbing reports from the pupils that have come from your lesson. They are telling me that you have said some disparaging things about homosexuals and gay people.
“And I said, Yes I have said it is a personal view. And I said we should have our own opinions, we should be able to express arguments or discussions about these things. It would be very boring if we all felt the same thing about everything.
“She said, well I’ve been asked by the Deputy Head to instantly dismiss you from our school, and we will not be employing you in the future. So I had to leave.”
We don’t have to speculate about what’s next. All we need to do is to look at the record in the various countries where same sex marriage has been legalised.